Thank you very much.
I'll move on just briefly to isolation. I know the use of isolation is usually a last resort, but before we become so negative towards it, I can recall when we went to Dorchester Institution, we met with some inmates. One of the inmates said sometimes he would go to his doctor, practitioner, psychologist and ask if he could be alone for a while, and it was considered isolation. My feeling was that it was rather healthy that the person knew that he just needed it.
I also know, because I deal with people who work in an institution in my riding, and I speak to many of the men and women there and often the shop stewards of the union, and quite frankly, the people who work there feel there are times when a person needs to be in isolation for the safety of the people who actually work in the institution. There seems to be a difference--and I can appreciate that difference--because one of the witnesses who came here said they didn't have isolation any more, and it was very difficult for them to get the people who work in the institution to accept the abolition or the gradual abolition of isolation.
I wondered what your experiences have been surrounding that.