Growing up, I didn't even know what a normal life was. I thought being a better gangster was normal because that's what I was surrounded by. But when I got into the BUILD program, I was with different kinds of Indians, you could say. They had normal lives. They showed me what normal was: going to work everyday, taking care of families, and taking them out to places. I took programs at BUILD where I got in touch with my cultural side. They took me out to sweats and showed me how people of my nationality lived. I've taken anger management at the John Howard Society.
When I was sentenced, the judge said, “This man doesn't need more jail time. What he needs are programs and rehabilitation. He needs AA.” What we need to find out more about are what are the motivations behind the crimes, and how we can get offenders to go through a program while they're still incarcerated, so that they can understand how they're supposed to act when they come back into society.