Evidence of meeting #45 for Public Safety and National Security in the 40th Parliament, 3rd session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was summit.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Vivian Prokop  Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Youth Business Foundation
Steve Paikin  Anchor and Senior Editor, TVO
John Kirton  Co-director of the G20 Research Group and Director of the G8 Research Group, University of Toronto
Grayson Lepp  Executive Chair, Student Union of the University of British Columbia Okanagan
Kirk Chavarie  External Coordinator, Student Union of the University of British Columbia Okanagan
Justin Stayshyn  As an Individual

5 p.m.

External Coordinator, Student Union of the University of British Columbia Okanagan

Kirk Chavarie

Yes, I can definitely motivate to that. We actually took part in the peaceful rally that went all the way down through Queensway. When we got to the end, we had officials, who were wearing fluorescent vests as well as carrying megaphones, telling us exactly where to go and saying that if we were even to go close to or approach the fence, there was a chance we could be arrested. So we instantly made the decision that this wasn't part of what we were there for and so we were not going there, and—

5 p.m.

Conservative

Brent Rathgeber Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB

Okay. That's fine.

Now, had you not been arrested Sunday morning, what was the rest of your itinerary? What were you going to do on Sunday?

5 p.m.

External Coordinator, Student Union of the University of British Columbia Okanagan

Kirk Chavarie

On Sunday? The plan was basically that there were going to be other members meeting. We hold connections with York University as well as Ryerson. All of these students fall under the Canadian Federation of Students, which is the largest body of students in Canada. Our plan was to tour their campuses, meet up with them, and basically see Toronto on the side of how students in Ontario experience it.

5 p.m.

Conservative

Brent Rathgeber Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB

Okay.

My last question is for you, Mr. Lepp.

You said you've lost faith in the Canadian government. But isn't your real concern with the Toronto police force?

5 p.m.

Executive Chair, Student Union of the University of British Columbia Okanagan

Grayson Lepp

I would say that—

5 p.m.

Conservative

Brent Rathgeber Conservative Edmonton—St. Albert, AB

No, I'm sorry; it was Mr. Chavarie who said he had lost faith in the Canadian government. I apologize, Mr. Lepp.

5 p.m.

External Coordinator, Student Union of the University of British Columbia Okanagan

Kirk Chavarie

I think at this point my faith has definitely been lost in the sense of justice for what had happened. There haven't been as many conversations as I would expect on an issue this large. We are experiencing the largest mass arrests in Canadian history, and it's just starting to be talked about in a committee forum.

5 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Thank you very much, Mr. Chavarie.

We'll now move back to Madame Mendes.

5 p.m.

Liberal

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you all for being here.

I would like to start by telling you, Mr. Chavarie and Mr. Lepp, that I think it's unfortunate that our Conservative colleagues consider it more important to question you on your motivations and your history than to apologize for the behaviour of authorities during the G8 and G20 summits. I believe that's particularly the case for the G20 Summit, when you were stopped.

I would also like to ask you something, Mr. Stayshyn. You're a resident of Toronto, where the G20 was held, and it no doubt affected you directly.

After all these months, do you think that was worth the trouble?

Was it worth it?

5:05 p.m.

As an Individual

Justin Stayshyn

Not where they held it, no; I don't think it was.

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

In no aspect at all? Tourism-wise, commerce-wise, you don't think it was worth it?

5:05 p.m.

As an Individual

Justin Stayshyn

I don't at all; not downtown, not in the location they held it in.

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Do you think the disturbances to commerce left permanent scars? Is it still something that they are going through?

5:05 p.m.

As an Individual

Justin Stayshyn

It seems that way. There was a lot of damage. As I said, I watched a lot of it happen without any police attempting to stop it.

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Has there been compensation?

5:05 p.m.

As an Individual

Justin Stayshyn

I don't believe so. The local places that I go to every day were damaged, and there have not been any moneys as compensation.

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

How about you? Have you received any apologies?

5:05 p.m.

External Coordinator, Student Union of the University of British Columbia Okanagan

Kirk Chavarie

No. To this date, I have not received any form of apology from the Canadian government.

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

How about you, Mr. Lepp?

5:05 p.m.

Executive Chair, Student Union of the University of British Columbia Okanagan

Grayson Lepp

No, I have not.

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

When the case was dismissed, what were you told?

5:05 p.m.

Executive Chair, Student Union of the University of British Columbia Okanagan

Grayson Lepp

This is actually rather shocking. It was the Friday before the Thanksgiving long weekend. I checked my phone. I had a miscall and a voicemail. I checked my voicemail. The voicemail said that it was a lady from Duty Counsel and that my charges had been dismissed, or more presumably.... My voicemail says “Grayson” and my legal, binding name is Brian Grayson Lepp, and it said that the charges against “Brian” had been dropped. There was no formal call again to make sure that I got the message.

I phoned Kirk. He had not received it at that time, not until I got in to the office, when he had. Then we proceeded to call our lawyer. She actually had not been informed that the charges against us had been dropped.

So yes, I received—

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

And to this day, have you received any formal dismissal of the charges?

5:05 p.m.

Executive Chair, Student Union of the University of British Columbia Okanagan

Grayson Lepp

We received paperwork after asking our lawyer to ensure that we got proper paperwork, because we weren't sure whether it was a prank call or an authentic call.

Alexandra Mendes Liberal Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Okay.

Mr. Chavarie?