Chair, I want to make one point, and we're going to come back to this. Please make the distinction.... I think this is the problem with all the information we're getting. I am not suggesting that every person who comes out of the prison farm program is going to get a job in agriculture. It's quite the opposite. What I am saying is that the skills they're learning are actually vital and fundamental, so much so that they become very desirable when they come out. That's everything that I hear from every person I talk to. What you're telling me is that you don't have any statistics to demonstrate the contrary, so what I want and what we need and what we should have before a decision is made to shut down prison farms is the actual numbers. If it's not actually working to get people jobs, then show me the numbers.
