My point, though, Mr. Vernon, is that these are not examples in abstraction; these are very specific examples. I have given you very specific names of Canadians who found themselves detained and tortured in foreign jurisdictions. According to Canadian inquiries, it was the failures of Canadian intelligence and security that led to their detention and torture. Those individuals faced horrific circumstances as a result of failures here in Canada and because of a lack of oversight that was in place in this country.
So I'm asking you, not in some vague abstraction but with great specificity, should we not ensure that we fix those deficiencies before giving, or even contemplating, expanded extraordinary powers that would have the potential, if there were not vigorous and robust oversight, to produce other such failures?