For those who are at home or who have time to read this, a few members of the opposition here are saying that we're just looking at two people here, that we're just looking at Lacroix and Jones. But in fact we have someone who has been convicted of being a drug mule and somebody who's been convicted of a drug operation. These are not people who got arrested for jaywalking. These are serious crimes, in my opinion. I don't know anybody who has been a drug mule. These are serious crimes. I think it demeans our debate tonight to say that it's just a couple of people and this has worked well. I thought we should get that on the record.
My next question is for Mr. Gravel. Feel free to answer in French.
In terms of the people who were defrauded, people like you and others you know who were defrauded, what would their thoughts be to the argument that I heard tonight from some people that it just costs too much to keep these people in prison? What would the people who have been defrauded for millions and millions of dollars, who have seen their life's work vaporize, their scraping and saving, their savings for their children's educations and their retirement dreams vaporize? What would those people here who you know say? The argument on the other side is that it costs too much money, that it would cost too much money to house these crooks.