And the figures you gave obviously don't include capital costs for prison construction.
I'm interested in going one step further. The Conservatives often talk about us not talking about victims. Maybe they fundamentally misunderstand the point that if you have a lower rate of recidivism and you prevent crime, you either don't have victims in the first place or you've reduced the number of victims out there, which I think is an extremely important point.
I'm wondering about the impact, particularly when it pertains to women, which is your specialty.
Mr. McIsaac, would you respond with regard to men and the impact this bill will have on rehabilitation? If they need a translation, that means not allowing crime and reducing victimization.