I think there is a difficulty with that approach. If everybody makes their presentations, we get a good sense of where we want to go; I can give a little extra time on some of the questions if you want, but if you go through the first round and then somebody says something in the second round that makes you realize you would have appreciated having a few of the others there, it becomes an issue.
Unless I'm being challenged on this, I would prefer to continue in this way. It's the prerogative of the chair, so I think we'll just continue in this manner.
Appearing as individuals are Pierre Gravel, Jackie Naltchayan--excuse me if I mess up on some of these names--and Ali Reza Pedram. From the Association des avocats et avocates en droit carcéral du Québec, we have Steven Fineberg, president, and Jacinthe Lanctôt, vice-president. From the Office of the Correctional Investigator, we have Howard Sapers, correctional investigator, and Ivan Zinger, executive director and general counsel.
From the Canadian Association of Elizabeth Fry Societies, we have Kim Pate, executive director, and from the Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, we have Mary Campbell, director general of the corrections and criminal justice directorate. She has actually stepped back and will join us on clause-by-clause consideration.
From the John Howard Society of Canada, we have Ed McIsaac, director of policy. Some of these people are sitting off to the side. From the Church Council on Justice and Corrections, we have Lorraine Berzins, community chair of justice, and Richard Haughian, the vice-president.
We welcome you.
Go ahead, Mr. Davies.