Evidence of meeting #56 for Public Safety and National Security in the 40th Parliament, 3rd session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was costs.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Kevin Page  Parliamentary Budget Officer, Library of Parliament
Sahir Khan  Assistant Parliamentary Budget Officer, Expenditure and Revenue Analysis, Office of the Parliamentary Budget Officer, Library of Parliament
Ashutosh Rajekar  Financial Advisor, Office of the Parliamentary Budget Officer, Library of Parliament
Vic Toews  Minister of Public Safety
Don Head  Commissioner, Correctional Service of Canada

9:10 a.m.

Financial Advisor, Office of the Parliamentary Budget Officer, Library of Parliament

Ashutosh Rajekar

We have noted an increase every year.

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

Do you have figures to show that increase? Could you provide us with the budget figures for the past 10 years, please?

9:10 a.m.

Parliamentary Budget Officer, Library of Parliament

Kevin Page

You would like to know by how much the budget has increased?

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

Yes.

9:10 a.m.

Financial Advisor, Office of the Parliamentary Budget Officer, Library of Parliament

Ashutosh Rajekar

We have figures in our report on Bill C-25. It's on page 102 of the English version.

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

What are the figures?

9:10 a.m.

Financial Advisor, Office of the Parliamentary Budget Officer, Library of Parliament

Ashutosh Rajekar

In 2001 the budget was 1.4 billion dollars. In 2009-2010, it was 2.2 billion dollars. In 2010-2011, it is close to 2.4 billion dollars.

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

Do you have the figures for other bills? Do you have figures for Bill C-59, for instance?

9:10 a.m.

Parliamentary Budget Officer, Library of Parliament

Kevin Page

The government has not provided a cost estimate on other bills.

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

Have you done this estimate?

9:10 a.m.

Parliamentary Budget Officer, Library of Parliament

Kevin Page

No. We started examining the costs of Bill C-39 but we have not yet completed our analysis.

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

So, you do not have figures for Bill C-59, nor Bill C-39.

9:10 a.m.

Parliamentary Budget Officer, Library of Parliament

Kevin Page

That is correct.

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

So, the only thing you can show us today are the figures for Bill C-25.

9:10 a.m.

Parliamentary Budget Officer, Library of Parliament

Kevin Page

That's correct.

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

Could you table before the committee a document providing figures for Bill C-25? I would appreciate that.

9:10 a.m.

Financial Advisor, Office of the Parliamentary Budget Officer, Library of Parliament

Ashutosh Rajekar

We can provide copies to the clerk.

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

Thank you.

I'd like to address another subject, that of the costs for the provinces. Based on my understanding, you estimate the costs to the provinces will increase by 56% in 2015-2016. We are still dealing with Bill C-25, is that right?

9:10 a.m.

Parliamentary Budget Officer, Library of Parliament

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

So, the entire presentation you made today deals strictly with Bill C-25.

9:10 a.m.

Parliamentary Budget Officer, Library of Parliament

Kevin Page

That is correct.

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

You say this: “the provincial and territorial share of total funding requirements will rise to 56% in 2015-2016 from 49% in 2009-2010 [...]”. Can you explain to me in simple terms which clause in this bill will cause the increase in the provincial share?

9:10 a.m.

Parliamentary Budget Officer, Library of Parliament

Kevin Page

The same type of impact will be felt on the correctional system of the provincial and territorial governments. I believe table IV establishes a comparison between the federal, provincial and territorial orders of government. I will find the page where this is indicated in French.

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

I understand. My question is more specific than that. You assess the costs of Bill C-25 to be approximately 1 billion dollars per year.

9:10 a.m.

Parliamentary Budget Officer, Library of Parliament