I think it's a very important point that Mr. Lobb made. His assumption was that if rates of recidivism were lower, the costs would be lower. But we've heard from the correctional investigator and from countless witnesses that these policies lead to higher rates of recidivism. The correctional Iivestigator, who is an independent officer of Parliament, has said that the overcrowding, the double-bunking, is going to lead to much higher rates of recidivism.
Would it be correct to assume that the costs you've given to Parliament, which I think are illustrative of the caution we have to exercise with all bills, could be significantly higher if we started seeing much higher rates of recidivism?