I truly appreciate you sharing your story with us in more depth.
So my view is not to diminish the value of farming, because I come from a riding where there's a lot of farming, and I meet with farmers on a regular basis. Certainly there are life skills that are gained on the farm. None of this is very black and white in my mind--that one doesn't do it and the other one does. That somehow creeps into these discussions. But as we go through and see inmates and where their lives are going and try to have rehabilitative programming that really works and makes them marketable when they come out, I really have questions about which is the best way to go.
I'll quickly relate to you one other story. One of the best carpenters I ever had on my crews was an aboriginal person who had spent time in a penitentiary. He came to work and gave me full value.
So I'll put this to you and anyone who'd like to respond, but I guess the person I'd really like to ask is Mr. McDermott, because he seems very experienced and learned in many areas, especially the areas of aboriginals and integration. We know there aren't these types of facilities--corrective farms--in Quebec or B.C. We know there are other jurisdictions, yet we have great stories about other areas. For the sake of discussion, what is your view on ramping it up to give them the real marketable trades I'm mentioning here today?