Thank you very much, Chair.
Witnesses, thank you for coming.
Before I go into my last visit, Mr. Toller, on page 4 you talked about participation in substance abuse programs. You indicated that the inmate is 4.5 times more likely to earn discretionary release, 45% less likely to be reincarcerated because of the new offence, and 63% less likely to return with a new violent offence.
So I guess the programs you're referring to are programs of abstinence from drug use. In other words, they just don't use drugs at all.