Thank you, Chair.
Thank you, Mr. Toller and Mr. Wheeler, for coming today.
Congratulations on the investment in the programming aspect of corrections. As Mr. Norlock said, I think some of the information you've provided here demonstrates quite a success story.
We did hear a bit of evidence in the past about it being tough to measure fully active participation rates, meaning some inmates may take programs sort of to check the box off, and measuring their willingness or their active participation in a program may be a little bit challenging. Would that be an accurate statement, that it's a challenge to fully get...? I recognize it may not be a significant number, but are there some in a program who are doing it to check off the box?