Evidence of meeting #35 for Public Safety and National Security in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Mike MacPherson  Procedural Clerk

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Scarpaleggia Liberal Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

Maybe I'll let the NDP propose that one.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Guy Lauzon Conservative Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry, ON

You know, you're preaching to the converted.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Scarpaleggia Liberal Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

It's a serious question.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Guy Lauzon Conservative Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry, ON

Yes. It's a legitimate question and a legitimate point.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Scarpaleggia Liberal Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

Shouldn't we go above and beyond than just whatever is owed under a restitution order or a spousal support order or a child support order?

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Guy Lauzon Conservative Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry, ON

I don't know—again, there's some expertise around the table, and maybe they can shed some light on this—if it's legally possible to do that. I would hope that if the relationship continues, if the person who's incarcerated does have some decency about them, then they would look after their family responsibilities with this award, even if there wasn't a court order to do that.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Scarpaleggia Liberal Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

I know that this bill has been brought forward before. There were problems with it that—you'll remind us—I think prevented it from moving on through the committee stage. How have those problems been corrected so that your bill would be constitutional?

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Guy Lauzon Conservative Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry, ON

I think what we've done is we've made sure that it doesn't infringe on any provincial legislation, etc., and doesn't complicate the issue.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Scarpaleggia Liberal Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

You're pretty convinced, then. I mean, this is dealing with property, right? It's dealing with property and child support agreements, which are provincial and so on.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Guy Lauzon Conservative Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry, ON

I've been reassured by the legal beagles that....

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Scarpaleggia Liberal Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

You have been.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Guy Lauzon Conservative Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry, ON

Yes.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Scarpaleggia Liberal Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

Okay. That's good, then.

I think that pretty much wraps up my questioning.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Guy Lauzon Conservative Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry, ON

You mentioned this person in your riding who had defrauded all these people. That was Earl Jones, right?

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Scarpaleggia Liberal Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

Yes.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Guy Lauzon Conservative Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry, ON

I think he's out of prison now, is he not, or about to be?

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Scarpaleggia Liberal Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

I don't think so, but....

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Guy Lauzon Conservative Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry, ON

Okay. But you know, his victims are going to suffer a heck of a lot more than the time that he'll be incarcerated.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Scarpaleggia Liberal Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

Oh, I know. They're my constituents, and I know them personally. Absolutely.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Kevin Sorenson

Thank you, Mr. Scarpaleggia.

We will now move back to the NDP, to Madame Doré Lefebvre.

4:50 p.m.

NDP

Rosane Doré Lefebvre NDP Alfred-Pellan, QC

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

Thank you, Mr. Lauzon, for appearing before the committee today to introduce Bill C-350. We sincerely appreciate it.

Your bill seems to have considerable merit. I wasn't sure I would have any questions, but the more questions people asked, the more things came to mind.

When answering, you often used the phrases “my understanding of the bill is that” or “I think that”. I do not doubt your good intentions, but I want to know whether this bill really comes from you or from your government.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Guy Lauzon Conservative Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry, ON

It was my initiative. I am ready to answer any questions. Perhaps you think it came from the PMO, but that is not at all the case. It comes from my riding. One of my constituents brought it up to me at a social function.

4:50 p.m.

NDP

Rosane Doré Lefebvre NDP Alfred-Pellan, QC

Yes, you said that.

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

Guy Lauzon Conservative Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry, ON

I talked to my nephew, who was a—

4:50 p.m.

NDP

Rosane Doré Lefebvre NDP Alfred-Pellan, QC

corrections officer in Kingston.