I won't speak for the other witness, but my sense would be that if someone.... I respect the apology and I listened to the apology, like many Canadians, and on the settlements that are being given, I understand why and how that's being done. But I think the principle, though, is that someone who is receiving compensation from the government for being victimized would then not compensate the person they victimized—court-ordered restitution or whatever the case may be. For the person they victimized, that would be doubly offensive to them, and I don't think.... Certainly, in regard to victimization, you can go through the federal correctional system, and probably there are very few people there who haven't been victimized in some way as young people. But that can never be an excuse for creating other victims.
Obviously, it's a factor considered in treatment, sentencing, rehabilitation, and programs, but it can never be.... In all the programs that are run in prison, it's never an excuse for creating more victims; I would not support an exclusion, because I think it does promote responsibility.