My second question is this. When you're talking about partnerships, the strategy refers to engaging with, what is, a whole lists of people, including foreign governments. So my question is about the “engaging with” part. Does “engaging with” mean simply exchanges of information, on which Mr. Goguen asked some very good questions? Or is it more than that? The minister used an example of the Shiprider program and joint enforcement programs.
My question is, what does “engaging with” really mean, and is there some kind of hierarchy of engagement with various different countries, because you often make reference to non-traditional partners?