Thank you to the witnesses for coming today.
We've heard quite a bit about the balance. I think everybody would tend to agree that it's a clear-cut message for us.
If we were to just deal in hypotheticals for a moment and say that we had the perfect balance of programming and addictions counselling and treatment, and a perfect balance of interdiction, would it be accurate to say there would still be a drug issue, to a certain degree, within the institutions?