I would agree with Lord Macdonald about strong and free. That's where we are too.
Ms. Cheung, you talked about the need to educate and rehabilitate and so on. That's a long-term process. I think you'd probably agree with that. It's not an overnight thing.
While that's going on, laudable as that is, and I don't disagree with that, do you think it's still okay to allow people—for instance, the Toronto 18, if that was the case—to travel to Afghanistan and Pakistan for terrorism training, when we know who they are and we know what they're up to? Is that allowable?