I know it comes with challenges, but I believe it is possible. Just to give you an example, in some of our institutions we have offenders who are looking to get away from the subculture that Mr. McLauchlan was talking about. I have worked actively with the staff to create drug-free ranges in the institutions.
For example, in Mr. McLauchlan's institution there is the Pathways unit for aboriginal offenders to be able to follow an aboriginal healing path. We can do urinalysis of offenders on a random basis if we suspect they may be involved in drugs, but in this unit the offenders agree to submit voluntarily to urinalysis to show that they continually want to lead a drug-free life. If we are able to stop the drugs coming in, as Mr. McLauchlan has talked about, and create a safe environment, we'll get more offenders who will want to address their criminogenic needs that brought them into conflict.
So the more I can create those opportunities, the closer I'm going to get to a drug-free prison. I believe it's possible, but it has challenges.