Well, first of all, I guess what was an eye-opener for me is when I actually started flying. I've been to 22 of the 24 fly-in communities and have met with the leadership and the officers. I can tell you that in terms of the standards that are in the northern policing communities, if I had tried to get away with that when I was the chief in Thunder Bay, I would have had the Ministry of Labour giving me orders to correct all those deficiencies.
The big question for first nations policing is about what legislation actually applies to it. Because that's iffy, it's hard to get people to come in and say, “No, you have to meet these standards.” I can tell you that the challenges are much greater in first nations policing. The experience that the officers get in one year is probably the equivalent of five years' experience in a municipal setting. They learn to be community officers. It's a different type of policing altogether.
I've spoken to the current chief in Thunder Bay. I've said to him, “For one month, give me the 10 officers who are causing you the most problems. I'll send them up north, and when you get them back, they'll be very happy to work for you.” That's the type of environment we work in. It's sad that I have to say that, but that's the reality.