With respect, Mr. Norlock, I think what we're saying here is the section very clearly says they have those rights to observe by other means only if the board has said they can't attend. I believe the experts confirmed what I was saying, that the impact of this amendment is to give that choice to victims not to attend in person, and therefore to be able to—and again we have now changed the wording—observe the hearing by any means the board considers appropriate.
Because we have that new wording, it takes care of that problem. Maybe video conferencing isn't available, maybe it's a telephone hook-up, maybe it's whatever, but I think it does significantly expand the ability of victims to participate in the parole hearings, and I would really urge the other side to consider supporting this amendment.