I believe the rate of recidivism in Canada is a published rate. Certainly lowering that would be a good objective. It does make for a very good potential social objective to implement a pilot project on that, for a variety of factors. The sample populations that you can identify can be well structured so that you can really look at cause and effect around the impacts your programs are having.
There are always externalities that have to be taken into consideration, but by and large you can construct a target population whereby you can be reasonably assured of knowing and understanding the potential impact that your program is having on that population. I think that's important.
That's how I'd answer that question.