When I worked with the City of Surrey and sat on that board, I also had the opportunity to interview non-profit organizations, charities. Some faith-based ministries were very nervous about government involvement in their activity. Their activity is very important, in my mind, given the fact that they carry out all sorts of relationship types of programs, drug and alcohol recovery programs, all of which are relatively unknown to the general or broader sector of society, but I think that it is substantial. They're resistant, however, to having too much government interference in their programs, so I think that obviously there would have to be some differences in areas like that.
Maybe I could go back to the performance indicator comment that was made earlier. I think that we don't want to just be governed by performance indicators because sometimes there are dangers and pitfalls in those as well, and that's why accountability has to go beyond just the performance measure. I think that down south our neighbours right now are struggling in their veterans kind of affairs scandal that they've had with how performance indicators have pushed some to massage those numbers, I think, in the form of wait lists down to the south. So I think we want to be cautious of that if we merely state that performance indicators are what we mean by accountable.