Mr. Minister, you're not getting any argument from me on the need for therapies. My problem is that your approach as a government seems to be: let's just increase the penalties and that will solve the problem.
If you go to the correctional investigator's report of 2013-14, he was critical of the government's continued refusal to develop a comprehensive program to respond to drug use in prisons. That's part of the problem.
On the numbers, I think he said that he agreed with the number that 75% of federal inmates have a substance abuse problem. But the budget has been cut to $8.7 million, which is a decline from the $11 million allocated in 2008-09. Now, the two don't match.
You're going to catch people who fail the urine test. Is the government putting more money into substance abuse programs within CSC so that you can cure these problems? Just having the penalty is not enough. You need the substance abuse program. That's what the correctional investigator is saying you're short on and we're saying you're short on. You have to do both.