It's interesting, and I've certainly equated the terrorist threat and criminal radicalization, criminal extremism. That to me is no different from a gang problem we have in Toronto. I remember many years ago that we wouldn't admit to having a gang problem, but clearly there's a gang issue.
The radicalization into extremism and terrorism is not unlike it would be of those going street gangs, or certain other organized criminal groups. Within Toronto we've expanded to include radicalization. Many young people are just being led down the path. I say respectfully to elders that maybe in their day it was about going to California and joining the Hare Krishnas, which was not criminal and was not an issue. But what lured those young people there? What's luring them into terrorism, into that criminal extremism toward terrorism?
So we have expanded within the Toronto police. I also know that the Government of Canada, Public Safety Canada, has gone across the country countering violent extremism. They initially partnered as a pilot program with Toronto to expand the Toronto role. I know that across the country it certainly is a live issue. There are numerous...and it's international. I got an email from a peer in Australia who is coming here to Ottawa in May and who then wants to come to Toronto to look at exactly that. We're all struggling with it. It's a challenge, and with respect, the police are not the only ones and not necessarily the best ones to deal with it, because much of it is in the pre-criminal space and we need community groups and professionals who can better help us.