Veterans Affairs was going through a stage of transition at that time. We're going back about a year to a year and a half. We met with the deputy minister at the time, General Natynczyk. He still is the deputy minister. We spoke with him and his chief of staff at the time.
When we were talking about how we would cut off the...or if it was a good thing for RCMP members to fall under workers' compensation, if we would entertain discussions about going to the new Veterans Charter, which was part of a larger discussion, that moved and morphed into us sitting back and saying, “You know what? The smart thing to do, because you're involved already at the back end, and you're caring for our members once they retire through to death, is to get you involved at the front end.” Michel and the general were like, “That makes a lot of sense.”