Thank you, Chair.
In terms of hearing experts on it, this situation came up numerous times during the testimony on this bill as something that was missing from the bill. It came up numerous times during the consultations that we did as part of Canada's national security framework review. I would echo what Ms. Damoff said in the sense that the only times we've ever seen information sharing leading to torture have been situations where lives were not in danger. They were extraordinary renditions in other countries and information being shared in that way.
I think we're in a situation here where it's clear that the public safety objectives that parliamentarians want to achieve are better achieved by not using this kind of information, without even getting into the obvious point of who we are as a country and what we want to accept.
At the end of the day, frankly, the things that we want to be combatting through the public safety objectives that we're achieving, the horrible things that go on, whether terrorism or other crimes, this is when those people win as far as I'm concerned, when we're finding ourselves in a situation where we need to debate whether or not we're going to use this type of information. The experts all agree there's never been a situation where lives were saved or could have been saved had this type of information been used.
I would just once again echo my support for Mr. Picard's amendment and say that the fact that the bill was referred here before second reading gives us the opportunity to do something like this. As far as I was concerned in my initial criticism of the bill, and as Madam May said, I still have other points that are problematic, but this was a huge omission. To have it in here is certainly a very positive step.