That's one of the goals of the cyber centre: to be more open and transparent. In fact, we're making sure that we have a facility where people can come in and work. If you come and visit CSE now, we take all of your technology away because you're entering a top secret building. The cyber centre will not be that way. The physical facility for this will be a place where people can come and collaborate and, frankly, bring their stuff so we can see how it works and we can work together on things.
Also, I think we do need to be more fluid. There are opportunities and there are things to learn by working in each other's spaces.
There are draws in the public sector—our mission, a little bit of altruism, etc.—and there are draws in the private sector in terms of some of the innovation, the profit, and things like that. It just depends on people.