Sure. Again, I certainly have a lot of respect for you, Glen. We worked together on the housing file and some other files, and I know that you're also very much on the ground in your riding. I'm also very glad to hear that you think there could be some changes. I'm encouraged by that.
I think that I offer a unique perspective on this because my office is so connected and so much on the ground. I certainly don't have a criminal justice background like you do, but with respect, I feel at times there's this feeling out there that these people should carry that burden with them and that they really never will truly be free. That's something I have a hard time with.
If my office in Saint John—Rothesay is seeing what I see about these wonderful human beings who have simply made a mistake.... I refer to the case of the diapers, or I can cite other cases of a shoplifting mistake or what have you, and because of that mistake, people can't shake it.
Again, you weren't here, and I wasn't here at that point, but the cost of obtaining a record suspension—I'd like to say a pardon—basically quadrupled. I believe it was $50, and then it went to $150 and then it went to $631.