I think certainly solitary confinement as defined by the UN Mandela rules should be prohibited, absolutely. It's weird that the legislation doesn't actually say that. I think it should be in the legislation that solitary confinement, as defined by the Nelson Mandela rules, should be abolished in all federal corrections.
The issue is whether you need restrictive confinement to deal with certain individuals. I think the answer is yes. As I say, I'm still surprised that with regard to the disciplinary segregation, there are no alternatives. Now we can have a disciplinary court held by independent people, which can only impose fines and maybe some loss of privileges, and in that regard I think the Union of Canadian Correctional Officers has said that even here perhaps we are missing something in this equation.
You do need, if there are big transgressions in the penitentiary system, some consequences. I would suggest that in order to preserve the ICPs, you may want to look at restrictive confinement of up to four hours—defined as four hours—for up to 30 days as a consequence.