Following the events at the Prison for Women, Louise Arbour recommended judicial oversight. I think every move since then has reinforced why that is the best model and the model that should be implemented, because every measure to produce so-called independent bodies to come in, whether it's for charges within the prisons and the independent chairpersons, is very dependent on the individual before whom the prisoners and the staff appear, and the reality is that in most cases they have become further arms of the government body.
You may have a really excellent independent chair—for instance, Marie-Claude Landry, who was head of the independent chairs in Quebec. Everybody recognized, while she was head of that process, that it had a very robust—