Yes, I think there is.
If you look at what you can do—and I'm not an engineer, so I've reduced this to language I can understand—you can have purely defensive measures. You build something in whatever system you have: You have firewalls and whatever.
Then you have what I call “aggressive defensive”: You have the capacity to know when somebody's trying to go out or come in, and you deal with that.
Finally, you have the purely offensive: You have the capacity to go out and either seek trouble or degrade somebody else's capabilities.
I think we're fairly good at the first. We're not so bad at the middle. I don't think we're so great at the third. I'm not sure that we, Canada, have to do this alone. We can do this with a bunch of other countries. However, the capacity of what I will call “cyber adversaries” to use 37 cutouts makes it very difficult for people to know where they're coming from, and whatnot.
You really do need some sort of worldwide monitoring system. I don't think we have that. I think the United States, insofar as I understand, tries, but there's a limit to what even they can do.
You've probably heard of former U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. He was ridiculed at one point, but I think he said one thing that's true, and it applies to this area: You don't know what you don't know.
I think Mr. Ryland will agree with me—