Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Thanks to both of you for your testimony this afternoon.
You mentioned, Mr. Whitaker, the Toronto 18 case. I had the privilege of serving as prosecutor on that case, so I have some first-hand knowledge about some of the challenges the crown faced in taking on what at the time was I think the first post-9/11 domestic terrorism prosecution, or in any event, one of the first.
I want to focus on something you said, which is that you recognize that threat reduction can be useful so long as those measures will lead to criminal convictions. I'm wondering if you can elaborate on why it is you think that CSIS, in an era where threats are different than they were at the time of the McDonald commission, over time has not developed the skills and perhaps the aptitude to reduce threats in a way that takes into account the balance that is at the core of this discussion, namely, how to protect Canadians while at the same time safeguarding their individual liberties and their rights.