It's quite unfortunate, I think, that we're having a discussion about a regular criminal law matter within the context of national security, because it does compound the complexity of our discussion vis-à-vis the green paper very extensively.
I was disappointed to see basic subscriber information reintroduced as an issue. The Spencer case at the Supreme Court of Canada told us what we need to know on this. It is critically important that we understand that this is information over which we have a reasonable expectation of privacy, and the notion that the police can't get it when they need it has been alleged for over a decade.
Privacy advocates have asked for the evidence that there is a substantive problem and have been unable to receive it—evidence that you could not get it through the appropriate channels. We hear this habitually, but again, when we ask what is the precise problem, what did it look like, did they not understand there were exigent circumstances, and how did this come about that this happened—