You've hit on what, for many of us, is one of the most challenging issues whenever we are dealing with information sharing with allies. We're not speaking of a hypothetical. We've seen instances where in fact we have had information gathered from the use of torture amongst allies. We have seen Canadians...in terms of some of the worst practices brought forward. Having said all of that, then we have this issue of balancing it against the ability to convince our allies to work with us, that we are trustworthy, that we can take the information.
Part of the difficulty—you can hear the hesitancy in my voice—is of course how far do we have to go to ensure that in fact we are able to protect, to avoid these types of circumstances that we know have happened? By the same token, how do we ensure that our allies, at the operational level we're working at, have the trust in Canadian abilities to work with them?
To a large degree, the system works at its very best when you have the trust and the respect between the various officials. The problem we face on the outside is that, quite frankly, we're not able to evaluate what creates the best-case scenario and where in fact the problems arise. It's very difficult for me to say that here is a silver bullet that allows us to ensure that the Americans, the Brits, the Australians, and the Japanese are trusting our information and willing to work with us, but by the same token we are able to avoid some of these worst entities that in fact we know have occurred in that context.
I'm giving you a very unsatisfactory answer in saying that I don't have an answer. Once again, I think being aware of the fact that it is not a black and white situation is about the best I can offer, unfortunately.