I'll try to be as quick as I can in addressing the issues, because they are significant.
In terms of equity employment, the Correctional Service of Canada does well. In terms of how well it reflects the client population, they don't do so well.
The question I have about that, however, is, would it be a success if 40% of the women who work in corrections were of indigenous background? That doesn't address the problem. The problem is the overrepresentation. We have to be very careful about that.
The other issue is that you can do all the cultural awareness training and everything attendant to it that you want, but if you don't change culture—culture eats policy for breakfast—you're not going to have the impact; you're not going to have the outcomes you're looking for.
It's really tone at the top, and that gets back to the reason we're saying that in spite of the good people who work in that aboriginal corrections directorate, we need a deputy commissioner. We need a senior person whose sole focus is accountability for addressing indigenous corrections issues.