Well, they don't. One of our fears of a mandatory minimum is that it becomes the asking level for the offender in various serious crimes. Four people are killed in an impaired driving crash, and the defence asks for the mandatory minimum. That's where the discussion starts. We don't believe that's the right level to start, even though it's the minimum. We want those penalties to be a lot higher, especially in that kind of tragedy when a number of lives are lost. We believe that, as the penalties are going up way too slowly, the five years don't reflect the damage that's done. We also don't want Parliament to be in control of the minimum penalty because any time you need to change it to reflect society's viewpoints, it needs to be raised.
If we had the ideal situation, it would almost be a grid system whereby all the aggravating factors are taken into consideration and there's such a small margin between tragedies where the circumstances are almost the same, that there's less judicial discretion, but you're still moving that bar upward.