Thank you.
Yes, the points you raise are excellent points and they're extremely accurate. Again, I harken back to the research that we've done on stigma and the workplace.
We're finding that getting past the stigma is really the biggest challenge. It really is. We have discovered at the commission through our research that contact-based education is what makes a difference, so I as a nurse can tell you the signs and symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder or depression, but to actually be able to talk about it, my own experience has a much more significant impact.
We're seeing in a couple of police conferences that we have co-hosted that when police officers and other first responders are able to talk about their own experiences it really makes a big difference in terms of others feeling free to be able to talk about it. That's one of the biggest things.
Until we have work environments and cultural settings that will allow us to talk about depression in the same way as I would talk about having the flu, we're simply not going to get past it.
All of these pieces that we're talking about here today are working together. They can't be looked at in separate little pieces. Things are coming together quite nicely, but there's a great deal left to be done structurally.