There's no doubt that corporate cultures have to change from the ground up, but when you start changing corporate cultures and you start asking people to be prepared to talk about their stories and discuss these issues, a lot of it boils down to the fact that maybe we need to get them some help.
Try going to get help. There is none. In many instances you can talk all you like about research and everything else that's going on at our levels but on the ground across Canada, people can't get help. There are no waiting lists for people with mental illnesses, whether they're first responders or not. Why aren't there? Because there's no help. People go to see their doctors.
We have an instance going on today where a person's gone six months trying to get in to see a psychiatrist. They can't get in. They're willing to talk about it. They're out there and self-help groups are doing all that neat stuff. They're listening to people who say they should get help but when you knock on your doctor's door, you find out that the help is not there. Our solution is to get the doctors and health care providers involved. They're the gatekeepers to help change the corporate culture.