I want to bring us back to our study, which is consideration of why indigenous offenders are not being released more frequently and are not completing programs.
As Mr. Picard mentioned, we had the opportunity through the Union of Solicitor General Employees to do a tour of the community corrections centre and parole office at Stony Mountain when we were in Winnipeg about a year and half ago.
I've seen numbers for indigenous offenders at Stony Mountain as high as 65% of the prison population. The Pathways program there was a very small component of it. If I remember correctly, it was only one wing in the prison.
In terms of offenders accessing that program, could you provide us with a breakdown—I don't need it right now—of the number of indigenous offenders in the system, as well as the number who are accessing healing lodges and the Pathways program? I think 28 beds for female offenders at a healing lodge is pretty small. It's a great program, but it's a small number.
I know that at Stony Mountain it was only offenders who were committed to the Pathways program who were going into it, which is great, but how do we deal with all those other offenders in places like Stony Mountain who are not accessing it and aren't motivated to be part of that program? How do we reach those offenders?