I can only really speak from experience, just as Dale was talking about his experience earlier.
In British Columbia, we have alternative justice courts. There are approximately four or five in British Columbia. I should also mention that I have the justice portfolio for BCAFN and I'm also the tribal chief of the Carrier Sekani Tribal Council. One of the things that we're doing at urban centres such as Prince George—and I know it's happening in New Westminster and on Vancouver Island—is looking at alternative courts. Those court systems need to be resources. They're looking at an alternative justice in which elders are laying out the punishment, if you will, or the restorative justice. We need things like that.
In the precincts of Prince George, there needs to be a stronger relationship between the indigenous communities and the RCMP to better understand why many of our people are being incarcerated and prevent some of those issues. I had the luxury of meeting Brenda Butterworth-Carr. As a matter of fact, we worked with her and really changed that relationship between the indigenous people and the superintendent of Prince George. She has now become the lead RCMP person in British Columbia, and she worked out here in Ottawa, so there's another relationship whereby we can perhaps prevent many of our people from coming into jails.
Then the direct connection with foster children and the child care system needs to change, and we're trying to change that. We've never seen so many children in the foster care system.