John McKay at the Public Safety and National Security Committee

I'm going to call this meeting to order. This is the 89th meeting of the public safety committee.

We have with us two witnesses, one of whom, at least, is very familiar with this process, Mr. Neve and MS. Carvin, professor at Carleton University.

I understand that, between the two of you, you cut a deal and Professor Carvin is going to go first.

We look forward to what you have to say.