Yes. As I was saying earlier, terrorism is effective because it terrorizes. It has a disproportionate effect. The number of Canadians adversely affected by a terrorist event is very small.
Conversely, though, infrastructure is everything that sustains our life. It's the heat, the lights, the food at the grocers, the petrol at the service stations. All those fundamentals that allow us to exist are all now increasingly built on automated systems—on a machine, on machine learning. It's interconnected interdependencies across the board. That's why those are at risk. They're at risk mostly in the age of fifth-domain warfare. We went from land to sea to air to space, and now it's about cyber. We probably won't see another debate over an F-35 again, because most of that money in most jurisdictions is moving toward information warfare.
They will do what Russia's done in Moldova, Ukraine, and Georgia, which is to go after something and signal. You might just take out something small, then something a little bit bigger, and then something that threatens to be cataclysmic. I think that's really where the big threat is.
Are terrorists using cyber-tools? Not so much yet. Is Daesh going to go from dominating social media to tuning its skill sets toward attacking? I think that's very possible.