It's true, we don't know if in our communications, they could be targeted or surveilled. That's why we believe we need the strongest possible authorizations and restrictions on how the surveillance tools are used, both in Canada and....
Part of what we do at the ICLMG is argue that Canada also has an obligation to set a standard and to work internationally, to ensure there is a standard for what other countries do as well, on an international level. We know that's difficult to achieve. We're not dreaming that every country is going to be friendly and not spy. Canada states it plays a proactive role in protecting civil liberties and human rights on the international level, and we believe we need to set those policies domestically in order to set an example internationally.