If this moment in time isn't a wake-up call, then shame on everybody, including the RCMP. When I said I struggled with the definition of systemic racism, it wasn't a disacknowledgement of it. When we look at the systems and processes in place.... When I became commissioner, the first thing I did was to bring in a gender-based analysis plus expert. That person sits at our senior executive table for every decision we make so that they can put that lens on every decision we make. It's made a huge difference in our decision-making.
I have widened my lens and changed my perspective in the sense that there is systemic racism in the RCMP. I had a long talk with Deputy Commissioner Zablocki, who, again, didn't want to paint all the members with the same brush.
When we had a discussion, I have to say, I asked Gail Johnson, who is on the screen, to share her personal lived experience with our senior executive group and our senior management team across the country so we could get a better understanding so that we would not have just our own perspective on something that we may or may not have lived.