Whether they acknowledge it as such or whether they acknowledge the fact that the lengths of time do vary is at least a start.
At the moment, remember that we don't even have an acknowledgement that there are any problems whatsoever that are not caused by prisoners in the SIUs. I think it's important that we start by acknowledging what the problems are.
I do have some suggestions on where they might start. The variation that we see across institutions is a good place to start. It's not as if there are any institutions that are wonderful, but there are institutions that are much worse than others. If we could find that some institutions are doing things better, maybe we could learn from those differences and move on.
Remember, what we're looking for.... Jane Sprott and I are sitting in separate offices in Toronto working with CSC administrative data. I would have hoped, had there been proper oversight of the SIUs, that a panel like the one that I chaired and was unsuccessful in—