Public Safety Committee on May 27th, 2024

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

Go ahead, Mr. Noormohamed, on a point of order.

[Taleeb Noormohamed, Liberal, Vancouver Granville, BC]

I don't believe there was an actual motion on the floor, so there should be no debate.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

There is no actual motion on the floor.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

There is not agreement of the committee.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

Excuse me. Please don't interrupt.

I've asked the committee for advice, for guidance—

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

On a point of order, Chair, there is not agreement of the committee to proceed in this fashion. The committee does not agree. You cannot demand agreement without allowing people to speak on it.

If you let the clerk speak, he will confirm exactly what I'm saying.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

The chair—

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

The chair has to respect the rules.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

The chair has decided to ask the committee for guidance.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

The chair must respect the rules.

Is there a motion on the floor?

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

If you wish to challenge the chair on this matter, please do so.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Chair, is there a motion on the floor?

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

There is no motion on the floor.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Then there is no agreement.

Chair, you will respect the rules.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

Back up from the mike, please.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

You need to respect the rules, Chair.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

The decision of the chair is to seek advice of the committee—

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Chair, is there a motion before the committee or not?

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

Mr. Genuis, the chair has the floor. You do not.

The chair is asking the committee for advice on a matter that is of time urgency.

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

The committee does not agree.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

You do not speak for the committee. I will ask the committee. If you wish to challenge—

[Garnett Genuis, Conservative, Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, AB]

Sir, you cannot presume the agreement of the committee without a motion. I'm not going to back down on defending the rules or the prerogatives of this committee. I know the rules better than you do, Chair. Ask the clerk. Get the clerk's opinion on this, because the clerk knows that I'm right. The Speaker will know that I'm right.

For you to think that just because you sit in that chair you can show flagrant disregard for the rules and the way they protect the privileges of members is disgraceful.

If you want to put a motion before the committee, then we can have a motion and we can debate it. If you are not putting before a motion, then you have no agreement of the committee.

[Lisa Hepfner, Liberal, Hamilton Mountain, ON]

I have a point of order, Chair.

[The Chair, Liberal, Ron McKinnon]

Ms. Hepfner, go ahead on a point of order.

[Lisa Hepfner, Liberal, Hamilton Mountain, ON]

It seems to me that in this instance that the points of order are being used to talk over the chair.

Mr. Genuis keeps taking control of the floor from you, Chair. I'm finding it very difficult to follow. He keeps talking over you.

Is that part of the rules of the House? Can you talk over the chair? If you want to bully your point across, do you just take the floor? Is that how it works around here?

I'm finding this very difficult to follow, Chair, because you keep getting talked over.