It's difficult for me to answer that. How can we trust the decision‑maker who has to decide whether or not there could be some openness? I can only use my example. You'll see that it will address your concerns in part.
When ministers and directors make requests, they often rally around one or more cabinet decisions. There's nothing in the act that allows me to review those decisions. I find that inconsistent with the concept. How can I be asked to check whether I'm missing any elements in these conditions?
That said, I've begun discussions with both agencies to tell them to be logical with themselves. If they want to make solid decisions, they have to give me access to those documents. In the meantime, they have gotten into the habit of preparing summaries for me.
I go back to the decision of Justice Thurlow in 1978. If you said the word “cabinet”, it was over, blocked. I see that things are changing more and more, but that the Supreme Court recently strengthened its position in an Ontario case. It's a work in progress. That's the only way you can do it.