Evidence of meeting #114 for Public Safety and National Security in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Dancella Boyi
Mark Scrivens  Senior Counsel, Department of Justice
Richard Bilodeau  Director General, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
Saskia van Battum  Director, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

4 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Yes.

4 p.m.

Liberal

Iqwinder Gaheer Liberal Mississauga—Malton, ON

It's just a small edit, from “an” to “the”. I think we're clear.

4 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Are we all clear?

4 p.m.

Liberal

Iqwinder Gaheer Liberal Mississauga—Malton, ON

Yes.

4 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

That makes all of these redundant.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills, ON

Just to clarify, Mr. Chair, you've ruled the subamendment as it relates to proposed paragraph 2.1(c) out of order—

4 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Yes.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills, ON

—but you've ruled the subamendment as it relates to proposed paragraph 2.1(b) in order.

4 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Yes.

I'm a little confused by this, because in this summary of your amendment put into the text, your amendment doesn't have this proposed paragraph 2.1(c) in it, so the amendment itself is good, but this depiction of the amendment is kind of off.

Your subamendment, Mr. Gaheer, to modify proposed paragraph 2.1(c) doesn't work, but the modification to CPC-1 is good, in my understanding.

4 p.m.

Liberal

Iqwinder Gaheer Liberal Mississauga—Malton, ON

Do we vote on the subamendment first, and then...?

4 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Yes, we do.

Is there any more confusion we can add to the subamendment? No.

(Subamendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Is there any further comment on CPC-1 as amended? There's none.

(Amendment as amended agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

That brings us to clause 34, with no amendments.

Shall clause 34—

June 10th, 2024 / 4 p.m.

The Clerk of the Committee Ms. Dancella Boyi

It's as amended. Clause 34 has been amended.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Oh. I'm sorry. That was clause 34.

Shall clause 34 as amended carry?

(Clause 34 as amended agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

There are no amendments submitted for clauses 35 through 41. Do we have unanimous consent to group them?

4:05 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

(Clauses 35 to 41 inclusive agreed to)

That brings us to new clause 41.1. That is amendment G-1.

Who wishes to move it?

Mr. Gaheer, go ahead.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Iqwinder Gaheer Liberal Mississauga—Malton, ON

Sure. Chair, we would like to move G-1.

This amendment will ensure that CSIS officers and those who aid CSIS have the same legal liability extended to them under the new warrant provisions that exist in the current CSIS Act.

I can read the summary if you want, or we can just leave it to the officials to explain any other details.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

If there are any questions to ask of the officials, please ask them. Are there any questions?

Mr. Gaheer, are you asking a question of the officials? No.

Is there any discussion on G-1? Are we ready to vote on it?

(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Shall we have a vote on the floor?

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Chris Bittle Liberal St. Catharines, ON

On a point of order, I believe there's agreement among the parties to take brief breaks in between the votes, as well as unanimous consent to carry through while we go through these various votes.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

I understand there is unanimous consent. Is that correct?

4:05 p.m.

Some hon. members

Agreed.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Okay. Let's get democracy under way here.

(On clause 42)

We're on clause 42 and NDP-1.

Mr. MacGregor, do you wish to move NDP-1?

4:05 p.m.

NDP

Alistair MacGregor NDP Cowichan—Malahat—Langford, BC

Yes, Chair, I wish to move NDP-1.

It's a small change to clause 42, simply changing the word “shall” to “may”.

The rationale is that CSIS has been given significant new production order and warrant powers. There have been some concerns from civil liberties groups on this. To address this, we propose changing it to allow a bit more leeway.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Is there any discussion?

(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

Shall clause 42, which includes G-1 and NDP-1, carry as amended?

(Clause 42 as amended agreed to)

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Chong Conservative Wellington—Halton Hills, ON

Can we suspend? Can we pause just for a minute to vote, Mr. Chair?

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Ron McKinnon

Absolutely. We'll pause, and everybody gets to vote. It's a fascinating process.