Dane Lloyd at the Public Safety and National Security Committee

I understand.

I'll put this more generally for you.

You talked about how one part of the success of the Russian operation is our consumption of the disinformation and misinformation they're spreading. The second part is this: Once those have been consumed, they become part of the debate. There is now a debate about which political parties do or do not support Ukraine when once there was, as you said, a strong consensus of support for Ukraine.

Is that considered a success by Russia—a perception being created that there is no consensus of political support for Ukraine in a country like Canada?